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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: August 29, 2013, 17:01
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I've literally only just watched through all of The Last Airbender and Korra for the first time- and a few issues to address here

Firstly- to address Brian's issue with the term airplanes- I only ever caught them being referred to as Aircraft, which is a much more readily extrapolated term for a first time encounter with such craft... It is possible I missed the reference to planes, so if you can provide a time reference, I'm more than willing to accept your point on this one.

Secondly- on the matter of Korra knowing she was the avatar before being told, from what I understand of the lore of the series, the avatar is the only personn of their generation to have more than one type of bending- and thus the evidence was irrefutable by the time that the White Lotus Guards turned up (after all, its not as if there were any other candidates who could prove any skill in two or more forms of bending to provide any contention in the matter).

Thirdly- on the loss of forms in bending. I see this as a reflection on the march of time and supposed progress in the intervening seventy years, which take us from something akin to the beginning of the industrial revolution during the time of Aang to an analogue of early twentieth century New York (with an Eiffel Tower analogue for good measure) in the time of Korra. As the renaissance and the industrial revolution here on earth made the traditions that came before seem irrelevant, I imagine something similar happened around Republic City over the intervening seventy years- with many people trying to change with thetimes rather than sticking to the seemingly archaic forms and spirituality of the past.

All that being said, the main issue that I had coming to both Avatar and Korra from an anime watching background is that the series were too short for my liking, with the effect of forcing both series (Korra in particular) into a breakneck pace that allowed next to no time for character development and the slow buildup of foreshadowing and exposition that might have given hints towards the sudden reveals concerning Tarlac and Amaan, leaving Korra as a series that blurred from one moment to the next as it tried to wrap itself up within a paltry twelve episodes, losing out on pacing and coherence in the process.

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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: August 31, 2013, 01:23
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You know.. I will cede the point about the aircraft. They do call them "high-speed aircraft" instead of airplanes - which is a logical name for them. However I think an even more concise argument is that even though they were a surprise for me (the viewer) to see them in the avatar universe, it doesn't mean it was a surprise for the characters. The very fact that they were called "new high-speed aircraft" means that the concept of planes (sic) in general was already known to Iroh and perhaps more tellingly Korra.

I do see your rationale in the explanation of the forms. However, I still feel it is something that was lost between the two series. Perhaps it was dropped to speed the telling of the story. We both agree Korra just felt rushed.

I can show that you are mistaken on the Avatar. Watch The Last Airbender episode 6 "The Avatar and the Firelord" again. Starting at 5 minutes in you get the story of Prince Sozin and Roku. Watch carefully around 6:30. Not even Roku nor his best friend had any idea who the avatar was going to be when the fire sages declared that they were going to announce the next avatar. Just like the avatar, Roku had no idea how to do the other forms. In fact, at 10:20 it shows he took 12 years to learn all of the techniques. That doesn't prove anything in and of itself, but, in my mind, his reaction does.

Also as a side note, the Order of the White Lotus only took over protection (and presumably identification) of the next avatar only at Aang's behest:
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Order_of_the_White_Lotus
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Transcript:Welcome_to_Republic_City

This was done because they were an order that bridged the kingdoms just as the avatars must. Prior to this it seems the avatar was handed from one kingdom to the next without an escort.

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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: August 31, 2013, 05:49
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Quote from The eHermit on August 31, 2013, 01:23
I can show that you are mistaken on the Avatar. Watch The Last Airbender episode 6 "The Avatar and the Firelord" again. Starting at 5 minutes in you get the story of Prince Sozin and Roku. Watch carefully around 6:30. Not even Roku nor his best friend had any idea who the avatar was going to be when the fire sages declared that they were going to announce the next avatar. Just like the avatar, Roku had no idea how to do the other forms. In fact, at 10:20 it shows he took 12 years to learn all of the techniques. That doesn't prove anything in and of itself, but, in my mind, his reaction does.

Also as a side note, the Order of the White Lotus only took over protection (and presumably identification) of the next avatar only at Aang's behest:
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Order_of_the_White_Lotus
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Transcript:Welcome_to_Republic_City

This was done because they were an order that bridged the kingdoms just as the avatars must. Prior to this it seems the avatar was handed from one kingdom to the next without an escort.

In my opinion, that merely shows that the fire sages had taken on other ceremonial duties within the Fire Nation on top of the whole business of identifying the avatar- and with the rarity with which fire nation avatars came around by comparison with deaths in the house of the Fire Lord, it seems fairly natural that Sozin would have associated them with his own succession rather than that of the avatar (with the members of his own family dying once a generation while the avatar would only come from the fire nation once every four generations).

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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: September 2, 2013, 17:42
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You don't think Roku looked surprised?

And I agree there are things that make the avatar evident, but they are much more subtle - didn't we see a candle test near the beginning of the series where the candle flame was supposed to lean towards the avatar?

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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: September 2, 2013, 18:36
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Quote from The eHermit on September 2, 2013, 17:42
You don't think Roku looked surprised?

And I agree there are things that make the avatar evident, but they are much more subtle - didn't we see a candle test near the beginning of the series where the candle flame was supposed to lean towards the avatar?

I'm sure Roku was also surprised, but I suspect he, like Sozin would have associated the fire sages with the roles they more normally performed in court circles rather than with determining the identity of avatars within the fire nation- moreover, even if Roku had subconsciously made use of other forms of bending before his identity was revealed, which we cannot be sure he hadn't, he'd reached the age before being told at which he might well have rationalised it away as something other than himself being the avatar- if nothing else Roku was a less headstrong personality than Korra, which would likely have led to more subtle early manifestations.

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Post Re: Spoilers: The Legend of Korra
on: September 27, 2013, 19:12
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Quick question, has anyone else started watching Legend of Korra season two yet?

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